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A floor that gives underfoot or bounces when you walk has a subfloor problem. The decking may be rotted, the joists may be undersized or damaged, or the fasteners may have let go. None of that fixes itself, and a new floor laid over it will move and squeak.
Soft spots and bounce
A floor that gives underfoot or bounces when you walk has a subfloor problem. The decking may be rotted, the joists may be undersized or damaged, or the fasteners may have let go. None of that fixes itself, and a new floor laid over it will move and squeak.
Soft spots are often a sign of water damage. The decking around a tub, a toilet, or a exterior wall is where rot usually lives. We find it when we open the floor, and the fix is to cut out the rot and sister or replace the joists and the decking.
A bouncy floor can also be a structure issue, not just a subfloor issue. Joists that are too small for the span, or that have been notched or drilled too much, flex under load. We assess whether the fix is the decking, the joists, or both.
Slopes and sags
A floor that slopes or sags has a structural story. The slope may come from settling, a joist that has bowed, a support that has dropped, or a foundation that has moved. A new floor laid over a slope just makes a sloped new floor.
Some slopes are old and stable. The house settled a century ago and has not moved since. Those are often lived with. A slope that is new or active is a different matter and needs attention before any finish work.
We assess whether the slope is a finish problem, a subfloor problem, or a structure problem. The fix is different for each, and laying a floor over an active slope hides the problem and fails the floor.
Squeaks and movement
Squeaks are the subfloor moving against the joists or the fasteners. A squeaky floor is not necessarily failing, but it is telling you the subfloor is not tight. Loose decking gets worse over time, and a new floor laid over it inherits the squeaks.
We can tighten a loose subfloor by screwing the decking to the joists, or by sistering the joists if they are the source. The fix depends on whether the movement is the decking, the joists, or the fasteners.
A new floor installation is the right time to fix the squeaks, because the floor is open and the subfloor is accessible. Fixing squeaks after the finish is down is harder and less effective.
Water damage and rot
Water damage is the most serious subfloor problem. Stains, softness, and a musty smell all point to rot. The rot is usually worse than it looks, because it spreads under the surface. We cut out the damaged decking and the affected joists and replace them.
The source of the water has to be found and fixed, or the new subfloor rots too. A slow leak under a tub, a failed seal at a door, or a plumbing drip all cause subfloor damage. We find the source as part of the repair.
In a bathroom or a kitchen, the subfloor around the fixtures is the most common place for rot. Pulling the old floor often reveals it. We fix the rot and the source before the new floor goes down, so the new floor does not inherit the problem.
Why it matters before the finish
A finish floor is only as good as the subfloor under it. Tile cracks over a flexing subfloor. Vinyl telegraphs a wavy subfloor. Hardwood cups and gaps over a moisture-damaged subfloor. The finish is the visible part, but the subfloor is the part that determines whether the finish lasts.
We inspect the subfloor before we recommend a finish. If it needs work, that work is part of the scope. Skipping it to save money up front costs more when the finish fails and has to be redone.
The honest approach is to fix the subfloor first. It adds to the project, but it is what makes the new floor last. A floor laid on a sound subfloor is a floor that stays flat, quiet, and good-looking for years.
Can I lay a new floor over a squeaky subfloor?
You can, but the squeaks come with it. A new floor installation is the right time to tighten the subfloor and fix the squeaks, because the floor is open and accessible.
How do I know if the subfloor is rotten?
Soft spots, stains, and a musty smell are signs. The rot is usually worse than it looks because it spreads under the surface. We cut out the damage and replace the decking and joists as needed.
Does a sloped floor have to be fixed?
An old, stable slope can often be lived with. A new or active slope needs attention before any finish work. We assess whether the slope is a finish, subfloor, or structure problem.
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